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.. Amber Heard.. beloved, sacred, early, beginning comments about the name "Tam".. at the beginning of this comments section.. that explains that Amber Claire Danes Heard and Megan Gale could both play two different women who both share the name 'Tam'.. 'Magistrate Tam'... and that Gal Godot could be Chief Magistrate Tam Anderson.... comment section copy-and-pasted from a website.. the partial URL is.. thegentlemenofleisure.com/ .. sorry... sorry.. forgot the rest of the URL...

23 comments: TeemuOctober 7, 2015 at 1:25 PM This issue introduces the Magistrate Tam, a minor recurring Genoshan figure notable for her relationship with Havok. Wait. Isn't she the same as the Chief Magistrate Tamara "Tam" Anderson? Have they any amount of Tams running about, or have the quasi-official sources made a mistake in giving Tam as Anderson's name due to mixing them up? "Tam" is on awfully familiar basis with the Genegineer, or "David", at least, so one would assume she is a big deal in the Magistrates. Reply TeemuOctober 7, 2015 at 1:33 PM Ok, checked it up. Two different characters. It must be one of those awkward two people with same first name incidents. My latter Tam above was Anderson. If she really is Tam. Reply MattOctober 7, 2015 at 2:22 PM I feel like this issue's cover art was used for a house ad or a T-shirt or a poster or something. I just know I've seen it in a context other than as a cover. Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:04 PM I think maybe the Wolverine image gets used somewhere? But maybe that's me misremembering, because I do remember trying to recreate that image myself back in the days when I still pretended I had some skill at drawing. Reply Cesar R. PontualOctober 7, 2015 at 4:43 PM If I remember right, Wolverine met Rictor and Boom-Boom at Madripoor in those New Mutants issues prior to X-Tinction Agenda. (Sorry by my bad English, I'm Brazilian.) Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM Yeah, I completely brain-farted on that. Of course Wolverine met the New Mutants recently. I guess that speaks to just how many Wolverine appearances there are around this time, that even though those issues occurred right before this story, it still seems like ages ago because of all the comics we've examined since then. I do think my larger point still stands, though, that there's a lot of reunions and revelations between various characters around this time that mostly happen without comment, and that's a shame. Reply XOctober 7, 2015 at 6:47 PM Wolverine met the New Mutants in Madripoor in #93 Reply AnonymousOctober 7, 2015 at 7:54 PM Call me crazy, but I think Wolverine met the New Mutants in Madripoor in issue 93 :) Anyway, this issue provides the story with a much needed shot in the arm. Claremont and Lee operate on a much higher level than the other creators involved and the Wolverine/Psylocke/Jubilee trio works really well together. It's too bad the whole crossover wasn't told in Uncanny X-Men. Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:08 PM Indeed. Or at least, had better art in the other two chapters. Reply JeffOctober 8, 2015 at 12:13 PM "Claremont and Lee operate on a much higher level than the other creators involved and the Wolverine/Psylocke/Jubilee trio works really well together. It's too bad the whole crossover wasn't told in Uncanny X-Men." This for sure. I feel like the other titles kept up better in Mutant Massacre, Fall of the Mutants and Inferno, but they definitely disrupt the story this time. I'd guess mainly due to the art. Honestly, I think X-Cutioner's Song is a better crossover overall. Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM I probably prefer X-Cutioner's Song to this, though a lot of that has to do with it being the first crossover I read after getting into comics. I do like how "X-Tinction", at least until the third act (which is understandable) does its best to keep the focus of each chapter on the characters who are usually featured in that series, so as to avoid the infamous situation during "X-Cutioner's Song" where Peter David had to write an issue of X-Factor featuring Wolverine, Cable and Bishop. :) Jeff CJanuary 25, 2019 at 2:25 PM Put me in the camp that also prefers X-Cutioner's Song to this. Lobdell and Nicieza just seem more in synch at that point than Claremont and Simonson here. Likely due to what was happening behind the scenes at this point. Reply UnknownOctober 8, 2015 at 2:39 PM I was compelled to keep up with the other titles in Fall of the Mutants (which wasn't even particularly necessary) and most of Inferno. This, not at all. I've never read the any of the non-X-Men issues. Reply wwk5dOctober 9, 2015 at 2:01 AM As a crossover story, I prefer this to Fall of the Mutants and Inferno. FOTM isn't even a real crossover, while Inferno, while enjoyable, is something of a mess. The artwork for the other crossovers is much better than what we see here, thats for sure. Granted, FOTM isn't even a crossover, but you do have Walt Simonson and some of Brett Belvin's better art on this title. And Inferno doesn't exactly have Simonson's best art either, because, Milgrom! The whole relationship between Havok and Tam is best ignored. Havok must have emerged from the Siege Perilous anywhere from a few weeks ago to a few months ago, Marvel time. And yet somehow, he was brainwashed and still had enough time to rise up the ranks of Genoshan Magistrate system and find a girlfriend (enough that he admitted to loving her), and you have to wonder if either of them questioned why up until recently, Havok has no long term memories of life in Genosha, no family ties, no history, etc. Anyway, best not to think about it too much. With regards to Wolverine knowing about Rictor and Boom-Boom...what everyone just said above. "and he responds simply that one day he didn't have them, the next day he did." Well, that is kind of true. At this point, he just doesn't remember his life pre-claws, no? Still, I do like the bonding we get between Wolverine and Psylocke during this era. Too bad this relationship gets mostly ignored when CC leaves. Overall, its a strong issue. I do feel bad for Simonson, since if she had better artists on both books, her chapters of the crossover would be better received. As it is, the writing on her issues isn't that bad, and the momentum of the crossover itself does help get through the slog of not-so-great artwork during her issues. Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:45 PM and you have to wonder if either of them questioned why up until recently, Havok has no long term memories of life in Genosha, no family ties, no history, etc. I've always assumed that some of that is like implanted memories, that while Havok just showed up on Genosha, he has memories that suggest he was born there, lived there, etc., and that Hodge (or whomever) manipulated records on the backend to accommodate that. Which, of course, still doesn't explain how or why any other Genoshans, like Tam, went along with the setup. So yeah, best not to think about. Well, that is kind of true. At this point, he just doesn't remember his life pre-claws, no? Yeah, I was just pointing out that at this point in time, that's his take on the origin of his claws. Too bad this relationship gets mostly ignored when CC leaves. Ditto the Storm/Gambit and Forge/Banshee relationships. Reply JamesOctober 10, 2015 at 9:41 AM "Not-so-great artwork" is being quite charitable, methinks. ;) We are fast approaching the single worst cover in the history of mainstream comic books. Reply BlamOctober 11, 2015 at 10:36 PM // Psylocke is described as being "literal poetry in motion" // Right? // Wash the Goomba guts out of your hair with Super Mario Bros. shampoo! // In the splash panel (no pun intended), Princess Peach is totally doing her best not to look at that kid’s deal. Reply wwk5dOctober 12, 2015 at 8:02 AM "Psylocke is described as being "literal poetry in motion"" I've heard that phrase used other times as well as here. Urban dictionary provides a good enough assessment: A purpose of graceful fluidity, such that moves with tactful elegance throughout. A noun; abstract yet direct and completely beautiful to all 5 senses. Basically, graceful, fluid movement. "Princess Peach is totally doing her best not to look at that kid’s deal." Peach is a closet lesbian? Reply BlamOctober 12, 2015 at 3:18 PM @wwk5d: // I've heard that phrase used other times as well as here. // The problem isn’t “poetry in motion” — a familiar and lovely metaphor. The problem is “literal poetry in motion” [emphasis mine], which should only apply to some weird species invented by Alan Moore or Grant Morrison that communicates in speech that visibly flutters out of the characters' mouths when spoken or be used sarcastically when you throw a Maya Angelou or Emily Dickenson collection across the room. Reply wwk5dOctober 13, 2015 at 7:10 AM Well, it works in a meta kind of way, as Psylocke is the visible speech fluttering out of CC's mouth...or something ;) It never really bothered me, it was CC going overboard to try and differentiate the X-trio in this issue as much as possible... Reply Replies Austin GortonOctober 13, 2015 at 4:50 PM I wouldn't say "literal poetry in motion" has ever bothered - I don't think I even noticed it until this most recent reading of the issue - I just realized I have no idea what "poetry in motion" would look like literally. Like, when someone says "I was so surprised that my head literally exploded", we all laugh to ourselves because we know that person's head didn't actually explode and "literally" was being only used as a form of emphasis, but we still can recognize what a literal head explosion would look like. Whereas I can't wrap my head around what "literal poetry in motion" would even be, even if Claremont doesn't mean it literally. Reply TeemuOctober 13, 2015 at 5:43 PM It's important to notice it's "literal poetry" of non-static kind, and not "literally poetry in motion". Now, you can do pretty awesome things with oral poetry too, but I think we all agree if we have to liken Betsy's moves to poetry, they're haikus written in extremely beautiful kanjis, or maybe rather hanzis. Elektra outfit Fools will fall before the knife Of focused totality Reply BobJanuary 23, 2016 at 10:44 PM "This issue welcomes Wolverine, Jubilee and Psylocke into the Genoshan fray, and in doing so, brings the trio the closest yet to an outright reunion with their remaining scattered teammates." It's difficult to express how huge this felt at the time. With the exception of the (intentionally) goofy "Men" standalone issue (#245) and a few pages in #246 where Logan says he'll be going away for a while, Wolverine was separated from the team since the end of Inferno, nearly 30 issues previous. Claremont's "shattered team" years weren't perfect (they could be especially frustrating to read month-to-month, but they hold up much better in collected editions), but that disorder gave real weight to the moments when the team slowly started to fold back into place. Reply Comment. Please. Love it? Hate it? Are mildly indifferent to it? Let us know! Newer PostOlder PostHome Subscribe to: Post Comments (Atom) Contributors Austin Gorton Dr. Bitz G. Kendall Original Art Gentlemen of Leisure banner art, "Onslaught" header, and "Last Week in TV" icon courtesy of Ian Gorton. See more of his art and/or contact him here. Follow us on Twitter Austin "Teebore" Gorton: @AustinGorton Dr. Bitz: @DoctorBitz G. 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