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The Atom: Following the death of Ryan Choi in the Titans relaunch, it became a minor meme to draw him, as a black marker stick figure, in totally unrelated books, celebrating his survival and/or swearing to turn the tables on the villains responsible. Endorsed by Gail Simone herself, no less! The resulting backlash surrounding Choi's death was enough to get him brought back in the New 52 reboot. Although technically, Ryan never truly debuted as the Atom in the New 52 and instead they introduced newcomer Rhonda Pineda as the Atom. Although it turned out she was the Atom's Evil Counterpart, Atomica, from the Crime Syndicate's universe. It wasn't until Convergence that Ryan, the original Ryan Choi killed by Deathstroke's team and not a new version, was officially brought back from the dead. Batman: There are a few who found the Face–Heel Turn of Batgirl III (Cassandra Cain) so badly written and conceived that they are torn between a duplicate (the real one still off finding herself) and a mind-seed implanting a new personality outright as alternate explanations. The subsequent editorially mandated damage control mollified things somewhat, though. They did try to explain it, but due to an apparent lack of coordination between writers, the thing that was causing her to act differently and how it was cured were different in two different comic books. It now appears that they've just given up on trying to explain it and have (mostly) moved Cass back to her original characterization. This trope is also the reason Neil Gaiman has been so enthusiastic about being offered the chance to write Whatever Happened to The Caped Crusader?, which, like how Alan Moore's Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? is the "last Superman story" before the retcons of Crisis on Infinite Earths took place, is the "last Batman story" for the retcons of Final Crisis. The Big Book of Conspiracies: The comic examines a couple of conspiracy theories claiming that Jim Morrison, lead singer of The Doors, faked his death. Blue Beetle: There was a lot of this surrounding the 2004 death of Ted Kord. It helped the situation that Ted had been getting more panel time via flashbacks since his death than he had in the entire decade before it. There was a Red Herring that strongly hinted that Ted was alive, but he then showed up as a Black Lantern in Blackest Night, confirming his demise. The Golden Age: Bob Daley and Human Bomb both seem to die in the final battle, but their fates are only depicted in quick panels that don't show much of the gory details (after which they are never mentioned again) and some fans feel they may have only been wounded. Miss America's death is possible to question, since her powers have let her recover from worse in the main timeline. Injustice: Gods Among Us: Huntress didn't get her neck snapped by Wonder Woman! The cracking sound was just the platemail of her suit rubbing together, and the force of the Lasso of Truth jerking her head around just gave her severe whiplash and knocked her out. She was on Kryptonian durability pills at the time, after all. And where's her gravestone, huh?! We do find out that the Legion of superheroes have been going around and saving/recruiting people... Justice Society of America: The robot Hourman sacrificed himself to rescue Hourman I and II in JSA. Hourman indicated he would try rebuilding him and time-traveler Rip Hunter later said the robot Hourman would be out of commission "for a relative year." Kingdom Come: The quick and chaotic nature of the nuclear bombing and brevity of the scene showing there are survivors made it possible to hope that many seemingly dead characters like Red Hood, Human Bomb, Olivia, Batwoman II and Ace, Lightning, Kid Flash, Menagerie, Living Doll, Hawkman, Red Arrow, the Red Tornadoes, Zatara II, Steel, Aleea Strange, Power Woman, Blue Beetle, Stars, Stripes, 666, and Phantom Lady survived offscreen even before many did indeed turn up alive in other works like The Kingdom (DC) and Teen Titans. Legion of Super-Heroes: This is the sentiment shared by many fans on the status of Superman's descendant Laurel Kent. After the company edict stating Superman could be the only surviving Kryptonian character following Crisis on Infinite Earths, they had to rewrite Laurel's backstory and "revealed" during the Millennium crossover that she was really an undercover Manhunter android. Since there was no evidence that there was never a real Laurel, fans believe she's still out there. And many years later in Superman/Batman, writer Chris Roberson introduced a new version of Superwoman named Elna Kent in the 31st Century. Not only does she look like Laurel and have a similar costume, but "Elna" was an alias Laurel used in her debut. In fact, the artist's designs revealed she is Laurel Kent, but for whatever reason, they weren't allowed to call her that in the published story. Runaways: Played with. Chase and his pet dinosaur, Old Lace, are on the top of a skyscraper when The Punisher pops up and blasts him with an RPG. While the rest of the team is convinced of his death, Molly refuses to accept it. Molly: Chase probably saw the missile and jumped out of the way and then he... would... fall and then — Old Lace! Old Lace would jump down a dinosaur jump and, and — ...and she would grab the building with her claws and SKREEEECH! Save Chase from falling with her mouth! Not much later, Chase returns and says that that is exactly what happened. Molly points out that this was exactly what she said, and asks why the others aren't awesomed by her. The Sandman (1989): Neil Gaiman knows this trope, to the point that he said the truly revolutionary aspect of the series is that when someone dies, they are dead. Even if they get some new incarnation, it is distinctly different and pointed out to be so. One character, when offered a chance to be recreated, even delivers an Author Filibuster about the importance of final deaths. Silver Surfer: Though not dead, Norin Radd is constantly losing his true love Shalla-bal and regaining her to the point where him losing her has lost all impact. Even her dying in Earth X seems trite and cliched. Spider-Man: It's become a sort of meme in the comic fandom regarding the Osborns. When Norman Osborn turned out to be responsible for The Clone Saga, he revealed he was just hiding in Europe. Then, when Harry was resurrected post-One More Day, he says that he was also in Europe. To fans, Europe is essentially Osborn-Limbo. Despite being a minor member of the supporting cast and a normal human who died from a shotgun blast at close range at the beginning of a story arc titled The Death of Jean DeWolff, fans still refused to believe DeWolff was dead, and came up with all sorts of loopy theories as to why she wasn't. Superman: In The Death of Superman, it turned out that Superman's body was removed by the Fortress of Solitude robots and kept in regenerative stasis while the four pretenders were gallivanting around Metropolis. All-Star Superman features a race of humanoid dinosaurs that are evolved descendants of the dinosaurs of the past who turned out to have gone literally underground instead of getting totally wiped out. Why would the author make such a concept? Because they're too cool to just be extinct, of course! The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers: The infamously brutal death scenes were done expressly to avert this; the writers didn’t want people second-guessing the drama and betting the characters would survive, so they made the deaths as horrific and unambiguous as physically possible. They even trolled the readers with this, having Ironfist miraculously survive the final battle only to die of an aneurysm on the very next page. Ultimate Spider-Man (2000): Subverted in a story where Richard Parker (Pete's dad) claims that he has been hiding after his reported death. It turns out that he is not really Richard Parker but a clone of Peter that has been aged to a much more mature level and given Fake Memories. When it was revealed that Marvel was planning a crossover involving Miles Morales titled Spider-Men, there was rampant speculation that the series would reveal that Ultimate Peter Parker survived his recent death. It then turned out the Peter teaming up with Miles was simply the adult version from the main Marvel Universe. This turned out to be Hilarious in Hindsight as it was then revealed a year later that, yes, Ultimate Peter had survived after all, and he had been in hiding. Ultimate X-Men (2001): Beast is killed. Turns out he was just hiding underground. This after the architects of the Ultimate Universe promised none of these. Gambit was Killed Off for Real but nobody wants to believe it, because he's GAMBIT. The Wasp: Janet Van Dyne was supposedly killed in an explosion at the end of Secret Invasion, but Brian Michael Bendis' final Avengers story revealed that she had simply been transported to the Microverse. This caused a bit of Canon Discontinuity, as a prior issue of The Incredible Hercules showed the Wasp was indeed in the afterlife. In any case, she's back and part of the Uncanny Avengers. Watchmen: Rorschach wasn't killed by Dr. Manhattan! Jon just teleported him somewhere, the blood was just a decoy to throw off Adrian! Also Captain Metropolis and Hooded Justice. Hooded Justice's death is highly ambiguous, though it seems Nelly officially died in a car crash. However, a popular theory that the pair are in truth alive and together may be confirmed by Word of God. The strongest evidence supporting the theory that Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis are alive and well is in Chapter 1, page 25, middle-left panel. In the restaurant, two men are holding hands and are the focus of the panel. The main characters, Dan and Laurie, are in the background. This technique is sometimes used elsewhere in the work, for example, page 14 of chapter 10 where the intent is to transfer the reader's attention from the main characters to a new character (in this case, Roy Chess). The men resemble older versions of Hooded Justice and Captain Metropolis, assuming Justice is the strongman. A final detail is their bow-ties. Their ties have green markings on them, making them resemble domino masks. While the other indicators are rather vague on their own, the addition of the bow-ties seal it for some. And given that Hooded Justice and Metropolis died in ways that leave bodies difficult to identify, were gay lovers, and resemble the drawn men who steal the focus of the panel, it could be true. If you really want to get crazy, Laurie's dialog ("Me and Jon? Oh, yeah yeah, everything's fine. Couldn't be better.") that is present in the panel could be juxtaposed purposely with the men and the relationship of HJ and Nelly. Laurie and Jon's relationship is public, with no privacy, physical intimacy or affection, while HJ and Nelly's was secret and private, and the two men are obviously very intimate with each other. Or it's just a load of crap. Word of God, well one of the Gods (the artist) is that it's unintentional, but he likes the idea so why not? Wolverine: Sabretooth dying in Wolverine #55? Turns out he was a clone, and the real Sabretooth was in hiding all along. Which doesn't explain how his soul shows up in Hell and is beheaded by a sword that is supposed to render the victim unable to return to the living.

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