The Joker who tortures is evil.. The Joker who kills is a good man, the most decent man in Gotham.. Batman is trying, he's getting their, but he's not their yet.. The Joker is.. The most decent man in Gotham, The Joker, is a serial killer who has killed 800 to 900 people, probably many more.. every single one of those 800 or 900 people was an evil person.. The Joker who kills, who only kills, only kills evil people.. Alexander Luthor was killed by a Joker Robot-replica designed by the Cops who didn't want Alexander Luthor to bring back the pre-crisis Universe..

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